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Feb 24, 2010 9:00am EST
morning. i'm mark haines. >> i'm erin burnett. front and center, benjamin s. bernanke. >> yes. >> will be testifying in front of the house financial services committee about the economy and anything else they want to talk about. that'll be live in an hour. >> how about the exit strategy? imagine there will be some questions about that. the sec meets on possibly curbing short sales. huge issue for the market. full details coming up. >> and president obama meeting with key business leaders. it's all happening during this show. we've got a lot of breaking news, big headlines for you. we will be all over it, mark. how are your futures? >> not too good. >> no. >> up 0.70. we get a little break here because we closed a point above fair value. but, you know, looking at maybe 15, 20 points on the dow at the open. let's hit the markets. peel back the layers of the onion starting with brian shactman at the big board. >> thank you. listen, asia and europe were pretty mixed. germany, their economy in an absolute standstill. doint need to go over bernanke and all things going on in d.c. wi
CNBC
Feb 24, 2010 1:00pm EST
. the president, mr. bernanke, secretary lahood, testifying on the toyota issues on the hill. let's take a breakaway. we're going to watch them all and bring in john harwood, steve liesman and andrew par menty yea, managing partner with height analytics and open the discussion here. steve, you've been listening to mr. bernanke sum it up for us. what are the three or four bullet points. >> he reiterate that the fed will remain exceptionally low. that was a little bit more dovish than maybe some expected. you see the bond market rallied a bit. the dollar kind of hung in there. stocks have done better while bernanke's been talking. interesting comments on the volcker rule where i guess he's in opposition to the president's strong ideas about banning proprietary trading by the banks. he's saying you can do that idea, but it's frouth with danger and a better way might be to give the regulators authority to limit risky activity. he's got a less or thoughdox version of the volcker rule which is what is already in the house bill >> he also made interesting comments on deflation because one of th
CNBC
Feb 10, 2010 4:00pm EST
with thousands of flights grounded as we speak. >>> fed chairman, ben bernanke laying the groundwork on the central bank's exit strategy for the economic rescue efforts. we've got details of what mr. bernanke said today coming up. >>> but first here's a look at how we finished the day on wall street. the dow jones industrial average under water today. down 21 points on the dow at 10038. under a billion shares traded here on the nyse, as people stayed home, instead of embracing the heavy travel and heavy snow. s&p 500 down 2.5%. quarter of a percent lower at 106 and the nasdaq composite gave up three points and technology one of the winners on the session as was financial services. we get all of the action right now from bertha coombs our floor on the nyse. >> reporter: hey, maria, all things considered it's not a very bad day on the close, even though we closed to the downside. the real factors that kept people hessittant today, the snow of course. that kept volumes lower, but also the uncertainty about where we're headed with greece. this morning, as you take a look at the intraday
CNBC
Feb 24, 2010 6:00am EST
. >>> ben bernanke, coming to capitol hill. the central bank chief is ready for tough questions from lawmakers about the economy, interest rates and the fed's exit strategy. and president obama reaching out to business leaders, hosting a white house dinner for some high profile ceos. today, he addresses a business round table. those stories and more as "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk box." i'm becky quick along with joe kernen and carl quintanilla. we've been watching the markets this morning. after a down day yesterday, you'll see we're not getting any bounceback just yet. after yesterday's markets, obviously, you've got a lot of watchers waiting to figure out what happens. >> yeah. that consumer confidence number was troubling. >> it was. >> people now thil thinking maybe the sample was bad because i was worse than a lot of people expected at this stage of the game. we've got jobless claims high. we'll talk a lot about that this morning. but toyota's troubles are in the spotlight again today as the company's ceo appears on capitol hill
CNBC
Feb 25, 2010 9:00am EST
. >> but they will be -- >> who will they be? >> ben bernanke. >> okay. senate banking committee. president holds a key health care meeting. that's why we have the white house. what else? >> snow in the northeast. it started as rain this morning for many this morning who are watching but it has turned into thick -- >> wet, heavy. >> idyllic if you're looking to -- >> don't shovel this stuff. >> well, good morning, everyone. it's good to be with you. we're here, glad you're here. i'm erin burnett. >> i'm mark haines. >> it says i'm market haines. i want everyone to know it's funny. >> yes, i noticed that. also front and center the number of u.s. workers filing initial claims for unemployment benefits rose unexpectedly last week. >> coca-cola striking a deal to buy the north american operations of its largest bottler. you just saw the ceo there. >> heinz posted $231 million profit. a lot of ketchup. >> futures are sad. >> not good. >> part of the reason for the sadness was an unexpected jump in unemployment claims. >> hum. >> much bigger jump than anticipated. a lot of people are looking through it and saying i
CNBC
Feb 10, 2010 9:00am EST
not agreed to anything yet. >> and ben bernanke will be releasing his ideas on how the fed is going to pull back from its current role of propping up the economy in every way, shape, and form. we're going to have that live at 10:00. i know his comments are coming out, mark. i'm not sure if he's actually going to physically be there because you know in washington it's a little snow. what are they going to do? >> i think they now have a total of 50, five zero, inches on the ground. >> yeah, yeah. >> we also have big snow issues in new york, baltimore, philadelphia, airports closed, schools closed. it's a real mess. this is a live picture. >> wow. >> well, it was a live picture of reagan national airport. it is empty. >> that's amazing. it really is. mark, you know i remember when there was a forecast of snow things would be shut down and called off and to your point pretty incredible what has been going on there. snowmageddon. that's an amazing picture, live. no one at the airport. >>> the futures right now are plus 0.70 on the s&ps. we needed 1.42 to get to fair value. so it's very close to
CNBC
Feb 24, 2010 4:00pm EST
the toyota hearing that we've been watching here on cnbc. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke also telling congress today that interest rates are likely to remain low for an extended period of time to support the economic recovery. that's what really set the tone for stocks today and saw a rally in the market by 91 reports. cnbc's reporter steve liesman has more. >> reporter: fed chairman ben bernanke said those magical words that markets wanted to hear today, that the fed would stay exceptionally low for an extended period. he said that before but market his their doubts after fed hiked discount rate last week and the treasury, then, revived a program that helps the fed train liquidity. that is ultimate lie a program that could make financial conditions tougher. bernanke attempted to be crystal-clear on fed policy. >> the fomc continues to anticipate that economic condition conditions including low rates or resource utilization subdued in inflation trends and stabile expectations are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels of the federal funds rate for an extended period. >> reporter:
CNBC
Feb 10, 2010 6:00am EST
on a bailout for the debt-strapped country. >>> on exit strategy, ben bernanke unveiling his plan for the fed's next move. and the house of mouse, disney posting strong quarterly results and investors are responding. a cnbc exclusive with ceo bob ieger, "squawk box" begins right now. >> good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick. joe and carl are out today. steve liesman is spending the week on set with me and this morning we are joined by "fortune" magazine editor andy soerwer. >> good to be here. >> meantime, wall street is bracing for a winter storm this morning as the second snowstorm in a week descend eds on new york. washington, philadelphia, they are expected to be hit and hit hard. the federal government in washington is closed for a third straight day at an estimated cost of $100 million in lust productivity. government offices in boston, baltimore and philadelphia all announcing that they will be closed. congress, by the way, is canceling votes and rescheduling hearings. the united nations headquarters in new york city shutting down schools all th
CNBC
Feb 8, 2010 11:00am EST
. >> if you want to keep jobs here, you have to find a way to incentivize corporations. bernanke's height rate plan. we will take a look at the policy shift. >> it costs $150 billion a year to treat alzheimer's. medivation is helping find a cure. the stock is up 80% of the year. their ceo joins us about their late stage development drug. >>> the fed is set to unveil its rate hike plan. it is going to be a delicate balancing act for policymakers. steve liesman heads big reporting on this story for weeks, months, maybe years, joins us now with the very latest update. steve, what are they cooking up? >> you know, the question, you know, fed chairman goes to the hill wednesday. the question is whether we will hear anything new from the considerable talk from the fed already about the exit strategies which we reported quite a bit. fed has been transparent about the plans to unwind easy policies. not necessarily in one place. the reason the fed wants to let markets know what it is cooking up for the piece. but afraid too much talk to believe war over the financial cries sis over. the fed does want t
CNBC
Feb 25, 2010 6:00am EST
, fed chairman ben bernanke has returned to capitol hill this morning. and investors are looking for more clues on the central bank's next move. and the markets at this hour have u.s. equity futures under a bit of pressure after yesterday's rebound as "squawk box" begins right now. >> welcome to "squawk box" right here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen at the cnbc world headquarters. carl is in washington this morning where president obama is hosting a televised health care summit. we'll have more from carl on that story. but joe, that's not the only news in washington today. >> no, it's not. we may pipe in that music with carl down there and he'll be looking good. he'll have his jacket on. >> he always looks good. >> yes, he does. also in washington, carl is there, but also this other guys that's going to show up. that's not really what all the scuttlebutt is going to be about down there. it's about carl. but ben bernanke will come back and testify on the hill today. yesterday he pledged to continue record low interest rates for, in his words, an extended period. >>
CNBC
Feb 19, 2010 6:00am EST
't paying attention. my lead of the bernanke speech was discount rate to be hiked. my lead on the minutes was -- >> it sounds like -- >> let me finish, melissa, just be clear, my sources are telling me in the wake of this that the concept there's another bit to come is not necessarily true. they may stop here. so the idea that somehow they're just beginning this process of going back to 100 over on the fed funds is not true. it's out there in a lot of stuff. they may stop here. >> rich bernstein -- >> i want to ask both of you. do you think fed funds december 31, 2010 will be higher than they are today? >> well, let me answer that question and put it back to you. the typical forecast, is that the unemployment rate will be 9.5% or higher. also, that the inflation rate over the last year will be 1 to 1.25%. i have to ask you if you think at that point the fed would begin to tighten? you tell me. >> first of all, i think the bond market will -- i don't think the bond market looks at core. i hate to argue with on you this one, but if we find the inflation rate starts breaking 3, 3.5, we break
CNBC
Feb 26, 2010 6:00am EST
't you tell us what you think after hearing a couple days of bernanke's testimony on the hill. does it change your outlook on what the fed is doing? >> no, as long as they use the magic words, extended period, we know the fed will be on hold for at least six months. that's what bill dudley told us. he said extended period was the language the fed has put in the policy statement, means at least six months. it was a phrase repeated by st. louis fed president bullard recently. so whenever bernanke puts his word in on it as well, we can feel assured that the fed is not likely to move for at least six months. the fed needs to be very clear at this day and age. so if they're telling us that that's what extended period means, that's what it means. and so, until there's some other clarifying comments, that's what we have to go on. >> we had somebody who told us yesterday that maybe they could move 25, 50 basis points. it's not the extended period but they're focusing on the incredibly low rates. either one of you guys quily think that's the case? >> the focus is on the extraordinary program
CNBC
Feb 1, 2010 6:00am EST
, you have three big concerns. bernanke's confirmation, slowing china growth and obama slapping the banks around in the aftermath of the massachusetts miracle. i think investors have really focused upon those things and have used those skuexcuses to t profit. >> you don't seem to think things are over. we're due for a pullback and maybe the bull market continues? >> you look at fourth quarter earnings right now and i guess we're about halfway through the season. two-thirds of the company have beaten on revenues. you have consensus earnings for s&p that have now moved up to $76 a share. that puts multiple of a 14 times forward earnings. you have core inflation below 2% year over year. 3.6% treasury yield. multiples are too low. you'll see more corporate earnings improvements and stocks will go higher. >> massachusetts miracle? massachusetts disaster maybe. massachusetts tragedy maybe. >> depends on your point of view. >> i guess it does. i want to get that other side in. >> why are you looking at me? phil is the guest. >> i'm sorry. >> jay, what do you think of that scenario? thi
CNBC
Feb 26, 2010 11:00am EST
of that market. >> diane, where does this leave fed chief ben bernanke in terms of interest rates and where we're heading? i mean, by most consensus here people would anticipate and he has said that he's going to leave them in a very low rate environment for quite some time. how long is that time going to be? >> you know, i've had the fed not raising rates until december for my entire forecast and i'm starting to re-think they might not raise it until 2011. this is a very weak economy. so the weather exacerbates weakness, no question about it. we may recoup some of those gains and we may recoup some of them in march, but at the end of day when you've got people losing income when they're living paycheck to paycheck already, that's just an economy that's not as resilient. it just underscores the fragility of the economy that ben bernanke himself said yes, the weather is noisy and we have to go through it and at the end of day this economy is not looking that great in the first quarter. >> speaking of that, let's attack today's data. milton, real gdp was revised upwards to 5.9% for the first qua
CNBC
Feb 19, 2010 5:00am EST
was widely expected. ben bernanke came out last week saying a hike was coming, but many economists thought that the fed would at least wait until the next policy meeting next month. and in its statement, the fed says that the economic outlook does remain the same, reiterating that the benchmark rate will sustain for a period and that was echoed by the atlanta fed president, st. louis fed president and fed funds futures are pricing in a 25% chance of a rate hike by the end of the year. checking shares of u.s. bank in frankfurt, down across the board with citi lower, 1.4%. morgan stanley down 2.7%. ross. >> yeah. meanwhile, nicole, european stock markets ahead of the u.s. open, they've short of taken it mostly in their stride. we've had a sunny bit of green on the board this morning. we've dipped down slightly, off about .25% for the ftse 100. a little more for the german and french markets. smi, as we heard earlier, really good numbers from nestle, talking about growth in asia, so doing all the sort of things that james bev aan next to me likes. and the dollar has come off the highs on the
CNBC
Feb 25, 2010 4:00pm EST
. >>> meanwhile, federal reserve chairman ben bernanke on the hill today as well, responding to a news article that goldman sachs and other major investment banks were shorting the very greek debt that they were helping the country issue. senior economics reporter steve liesman now with that story. >> reporter: maria, thanks. fed chairman ben bernanke said that the fed is examining the actions of goldman sachs and other banks surrounding two issues. first, whether the bank helped sell debt that essentially allowed greece to disguise the true amount of its debt, and second, whether it was appropriate for them to be essentially shorting that debt through the derivatives known as credit default swaps. >> we are looking into a number of questions relating to goldman sachs and other companies and in their derivative's arrangements with greece, and on this issue as well. as you know credit default swaps are properly used as hedging instruments -- >> i agree. >> we, the s.e.c., of course, has been interested in this issue. obviously, using these instruments in a way that intentionally destabilizes a
CNBC
Feb 25, 2010 3:00pm EST
talking about bernanke in how the suggestion that rates will stay low for a long time, it was a positive for this market. >> i think so. i think that you're seeing a lot of sloppiness in a market without a lot of conviction. for my money i think that the two buzz words are exit strategy for 2010 and the sovereign risk and we've seen the risk. the euro gets their own structural problems but i think that the chinese implementing their exit strategy in the beginning of this year has kind of set the tone. bernanke's going to stay liquid, he's going to stay accomodated for a good long time and that's a mixed message. the fed's really not going to tighten, not going to make things difficult for us and then again the credit and the economy still needs a little bit support. we kind of grind out 2010, i think that we end up higher on the year but it's going to be a tough road down. >> so, do we end higher overall, you say? >> i think so in the u.s. >> substantially higher? >> i think high single digits will probably be a reasonable expectations. >> and what would be the way given the various fact
CNBC
Feb 25, 2010 1:00pm EST
this demand in the seven-year gives me -- >> the significance of ben bernanke talking about, one, the potential financial instability with the large current account surplus that china has to the u.s., he talked about financial instability. >> also talked about goldman and greece and they're looking into what goldman and other banks in "the new york times" reported to have done relative to greece, take the other side of the trade. first they put them into sovereign debt and then took the or side of the trade. let's hear what the fed chairman had to say about this. >> well, very serious challenges there involving not only fiscal issues but competitiveness issues because of the single exchange rate. but you know, we have talked to the european union leaders. they are obviously very focused on getting the problem solved. >> that's the wrong bite. he said they're looking into this. >> very routine, right? a lot of times you play one side, another part plays another side. it's very routine. >> i'd be interested in engaging the conversation of this. i'm not sure what the value is taking
CNBC
Feb 8, 2010 6:00am EST
like the saints have it for a second. >> the guest host is inside the bernanke huddle during the financial crisis, former fed governor randy kroszner. >>> a big play here, a big play there, and the bulls may be ready to run. >> picked off. look out. just passed manning and tracy porter taking the ball all the way. touchdown, new orleans! >> "squawk box" begins right now. ♪ ♪ >>> good morning, everybody. welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with steve liesman, carl and joe are out but in studio we also have new york times reporter andrew ross sorkin. our guest host, randy kroszner, a business professor at the booth school of business. great to have you here, randy. >> great to see you. >> we have a lot to talk to you about this morning. let's go to your morning rundown. we have a game plan with howard ward, portfolio manager for gamco investors growth fund. then we'll see if we can diffuse the debt bomb that threatens the global market. it's a small problem we'll try to fix this morning. later we'll be monday morning quarterbacking the super bow
CNBC
Feb 8, 2010 12:00pm EST
bernanke getting ready to testify on capitol hill later this week. steve joins us with more on the fed's game plan. >> the news is not going to be that the fed will lay out an exit strategy. they have already done that. we have been reporting it for weeks and weeks despite what other media outlets might be saying. if there is going to be news, timing of the exit strategy or the sequencing as in what comes first. rate hike chicken. what am i talking about? fed work behind the scenes on a series of measures to withdraw all of that extraordinarily quiddity. interest on reserves. we told you it would be the new fed funds rate. thing that will matter more than when they come out. term deposits for bank. reverse repos overnights. ultimately the bigger question, do they sell assets? not that loud about it. here is the reason. the fed doesn't want to signal imminent change in the policy when it talks about developing the tools to reverse that policy. st. louis fed chairman says he believe it is fed can begin selling assets the second half of the year which would come before raising rates. sequ
CNBC
Feb 11, 2010 6:00am EST
concerns that the market has across the spectrum. and you've got bernanke talking about higher rates. fed funds are pricing in almost 100% probability that we have rates lower in march. if we start to see more rhetoric out of the fed with respect to what they're going to do with the rates, that is outside of market expectations right now currently. >> what are you telling people tow to do snt. >> right now, volt tilt is at a level to finance shorter purchases and hedges. given the uncertainty, i don't think it's fair to say that volatility is expensive on the front end. >> anthony, real quick, berna e bernanke's exit strategy speech yesterday, does it move up your sense of the timing for when the fed will ultimately tighten? >> it really didn't, steve. the federal reserve basically injected $1.5 trillion in the liquidity in the credit crisis. it would be irresponsibility of the fed to not outline a credit strategy. i think he made it very clear that he wanted to give us the thumb nails strategy of what this is going to be like. is he going to normalize the discount rate? yes. but remembe
CNBC
Feb 17, 2010 6:00am EST
. people still point to may of '07 when bernanke says subprime is 9% of mortgages, right? they're not infallible. and we can't expect them to be, i guess, is the answer, right? >> none of us is infallible. if you didn't learn that, you missed something over the course of the past three years. >> dan's with us for the rest of the program. we've got a lot more to talk about. >>> meantime, any questions or comments this morning, we'd love to hear from you. our address is squawk@cnbc.com. >>> when we come back, european exposure, debt crisis overseas, how some u.s. companies might be impacted. >>> still to come, olympic skiers headed to the starting gate at whistler while bankers in new york await a possible auction. we'll get an update from daniel nu mudd, the ceo of fortress, just ahead. >>> time now for today's "aflac trivia question." what baseball player nicknamed the georgia peach amassed 4,189 hits in his career? this is not more benefits at greater cost to your company insurance. this is not how does it fit in my company's budget insurance. this is help protect and care for
CNBC
Feb 18, 2010 4:00pm EST
strategies tomorrow, another camp, which we think chairman bernanke is in and made clear last week in his testimony before congress, which is we'll start to sell assets and we'll start to do these other things, but after we hike. and then there's a middle camp that says we would love to get rid of some of the assets on our balance sheet but we're not going to do that until we're shoe the economy is in full swing, and we're not going to destroy things. they don't want to make a policy mistake. they still think the economy is fragile enough they don't want to push us back into a recession. >> thanks so much for stepping in and talking to us about this. we appreciate it soon. stay with us back in a moment with more. , seeing if we have enough points to stay longer. now? you don't have enough time... and you have to push all those buttons... no buttons, someone answers every time. yeah, right... bet you a massage... yeah, ok. hi, julie... i have a question about my points. hi, what button do i press for a massage? hello? new chase sapphire... you call. we answer. no waiting. just press right
CNBC
Feb 1, 2010 4:00pm EST
chairman bernanke's confirmation was in doubt. all of a sudden they dialed it back. this budget is part of that dialing back. >> let's talk about that, andrew. the financial responsibility fee, better known as the bank tax, is in the budget. what kind of details are in it? because jaret says the language has been pared down quite a bit. >> people were selling into any financial strength across the board. you have volcker testifying tomorrow. although jaret brings up good points, the reality of this is that the risk is not in the budget. the risk is with the next announcement from volcker. or the treasury department and bank of america signing on to this second lien modification program which they did last week. that's where the real worry of wall street is. and you saw energy hold up today. you saw health care sell off for about an hour after the budget came out. and then it recovered to about flat as i was leaving the office. but across the board today, long and short, i mean, we were seeing sellers of financial stocks into strength. >> what about, andrew, when you look at the other ta
CNBC
Feb 26, 2010 9:00am EST
's an interesting idea. bernanke yesterday mentioned that the spike in jobless claims might have been at least partly related to the weather. i would say there's a little more uncertainty than maybe mr. knapp suggests as to whether or not this is weather related or how much of a comedown we're getting from that fourth quarter gdp which was very strong and as you said revised up, erin, to 5.9% from 5.7%. it is interesting to look at the details and where the strength was to kind of figure out whether or not, how much of that is going to continue. what you see when you look at it is the consumer was pretty weak at one point, 7%, and nobody thinks that's going to be any stronger in this quarter. business spending was very strong. that's a wild card. that could continue. exports strong again and of course the big part of that not shown here are the inventories -- inventory numbers. this conference, though, is going to be about the fed policy and the fed's role put on here by the university of chicago's school of business. there are going to be no less than four members of the federal market commit
CNBC
Feb 5, 2010 6:00am EST
, 50 basis points or 100 basis points would be out of whack. >> did you see bernanke's swearing-in? >> i didn't.he president wasn't? >> how do you talk about transparency when you have a private swearing-in ceremony in apparently there is no legal standing for the swearing-in ceremony, because he was approved while he was still chairman. if the chairmanship expired, there would need to be a -- >> why would you need to see someone sworn in? you think he's actually going to swear? >> typically a president or a top official at some time -- >> but transparency, though. >> the most public fight over a fed chairman. >> the ceremonyial way. >> it's not a legal thing. >> you want him to answer questions that you pose him, you don't want to see the ceremony of someone swearing in, how did he look, what was his expression? was he worried? >> does it help he was in matter? >> i don't think it matters. >> this isn't what transparency was watched. i want to have watched it. i wouldn't have taken time out of my day to watch it. >> it shows you what a nerd you are. >> i don't want to be surpri
CNBC
Feb 1, 2010 12:00pm EST
bush, ben bernanke, tim geithner to get the record out. this is news in and of itself, michelle, beyond the details you point out. his first-person account goes into the record and it's going to be essential to figure out where did we go wrong and how do we fix it? amazing to me the number of things that aren't fixed yet. >> final thought to you? >> i agree with steve. it was remarkable book. it helps the history exicle record. i call it pg version. he said the british screwed us. in my book he uses a colorful phrase. >> andrew, thank you. steve, thank you. the word on the street goldman sachs' ceo lloyd blankfein could collect a bonus up to $100 million according to the report in the times of london. goldman sachs roundly distribpu the rumor saying there's speculation and there's stupidity. this speculation transcends the stupid and takes it to a new level. i would call that -- that would be your denial-denial. >> that would be a strong denial. goldman sachs shares gaining 90% for a year and about 4% higher right now. the goldman sachs folks knocked this story down. it is only in the t
CNBC
Feb 12, 2010 6:00am EST
together with bernanke's exit speech, you put that together and people say, wait a second, maybe the tight is turning. and being on top of the timing of when the fed starts to tighten or when the rhetoric changes, because when the rhetoric changes, that's when rates will change. and if there weren't enough international news, the european central bank plans to join forces of the european commission to monitor the situation in greece. ecb president jean-claude trichet says the two will draw up necessary measures to maintain stability in the euro zone. european officials offered support for debt-laden greece at a summit yesterday. we don't know what's in the plan. it's some sort of support. >> i don't know what the plan is. except everybody is happy they're in a plan. >> they're in something. they've expressed support. >> monday, the finance ministers meet again. this may be a situation where you see more of the details that start to emerge. what's it call, the european -- the meeting on monday. >> what worries me is that the plan itself will be so underwell manying that people will say, is
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